About gall stones

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• 1 allison_700 // Dec 31, 2006 at 11:29 am

  Dear Mark:
  I am sure you are feeling very nervous about your condition but it sounds
  like you are heading back in the right direction.
  I agree with Susie about eating VERY LIGHTLY and VEGETARIAN (no dairy even)
  while your pancreas heals. I wrote a fairly lengthy email a few months ago
  about what I ate when I had pancreatitis and the order I ate it in — first
  clear
  broth, then veg broth, then steamed vegs, then a tiny bit of oil, then beans
  (I think) then starches, then combining things — I cannot exactly remember the
  order but I looked it up for that email so search under my screen name and
  you should find the post.
  I would also search for holistic@…. Will had an 11 day stint in the
  hospital and nearly died with pancreatitis and he is a hoslitic vet so he came
  home and put together a dissolving (gallstones) and strengthening plan that has
  worked well for him and the others who have tried it. I would stay away from
  
  his dietary advice (meat and raw dairy) until you are on the other side of the
  pancreatitis. His advice is sound.
  There are several other ongoing post-ers who have created a body of good
  advice for someone in an acute situation. Look for DA_Williams who has had long
  running success with his approach to gallbladder and liver issues. Also ne
  w_man85 — that is Vince who lives in your neck of the woods.
  Check out the files section where a few of the better posts have been
  archived.
  Stay calm (Stress is AWFUL for all of this) and try a castor oil pack.
  Holistic@… gives good directions for what to do. It is very soothing and
  pulls out inflammation very effectively which will lower the infection load on
  your body.
  I have used castor oil packs for many things and they are terrific in acute
  situations (also chronic too).
  Make sure you are not constipated by whatever means you prefer and also a
  WELL-TRAINED massage therapist (which may or may not be possible in your locale)
  can help get those ducts open and draining.
  Epsom Salts in warm water (not high on the greatest-taste scale) will relax
  the ducts and let the sludge and any stuck stones pass with no interference.
  It sounds like you have a good chance of retaining your GB and repairing your
  health. Sit tight and take the Keflex.
  I was told if I got a pain in the middle of the navel that felt like I was
  being knifed to go immediately to the emergency room.
  Hope this information helps. Many have been where you have been and have
  fully recovered so you have a lot of people on this list rooting for you.
  Best wishes, Susan (Atlanta)

• 2 babette400 // Dec 31, 2006 at 1:29 pm

  Susan,
  Such a good post you made.
  Mark, read up on what she’s saying, and by all means, get with Dale Williams
  too. He’s a wonder! I hated to lose my GB because it’s never the same
  afterwards, I promise you, in your digestion system. But it is better to give
  it
  up to save your life, of course. I approached my cleansing like, well, I
  may lost my GB in time, but I’m going to save it at long as I can. I never
  have regretted my trying to save it. I knew it was time, though.
  On the child that I was telling you about who punctured her pancreas, the
  doctors thought that they would have to go in and patch her up. She’s pretty
  young, probably about 7 years old. But her father said, well, let’s let her
  try to heal some before we attempt surgery if we can. So what he would do is
  give her a little protein in the daytime, since she is a little kid and needs
  it, but at night she would eat veggies.
  
  Then he took her back to the doctor after a period of time and the doc said,
  Whatever you’re doing, stay with it because she’s healing up. It’s seeming
  to work.
  So his thought was right in this matter. We all do need protein, but you
  can probably get by without it right now while you’re healing up and you not
  being a little child, can get by right now. She needed it because she was
  still going to school.
  Oh, Susan, what do you think about Mark drinking organic apple juice right
  now, it works wonders for breaking up that sludge?
  Take care,
  Susie

• 3 allison_700 // Dec 31, 2006 at 11:19 pm

  In a message dated 3/13/2005 6:39:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  Tishri7@… writes:
  I was hesitant to mention it because of the sugar which will put a load on
  the pancreas. If it were me I would prob not do it for a week or so, but there
  is no reason he could not eat a couple of apples a day and lots of water with
  lemon juice in it. That should help the whole digestive system.
  I think I would also add a few enzymes. You can buy those in almost every
  town no matter the size. Nature’s Sunshine makes a product called HiLipase which
  I took for a while to loosen up the sludge. There is often that brand
  somewhere in a town and obviously you could order from the Internet.
  There are lots of herbs to try to break up the sludge, etc, but when you are
  the most acute I found doing a couple of things and being very gentle to try
  to get the boat righted and stable worked for me.
  I seem to remember that Will (holistic@…) last spring talked about his
  emergency kit and what he does for attacks and acute situations. That seemed
  
  a good resource since all the info was in one email.
  Mark, good luck. You are going to be fine.
  If you can, you will clean up your lifestyle and flush, figure out your
  trigger foods and leave a long life with your GB.
  If you get more acute and that is not possible, you will have an IV, get over
  the infection and then you can decide if you want to promise to return and go
  home and then try a flush or two or if you will opt for surgery.
  Then, come back, if you take the latter path and you can learn how to keep
  that digestive track is tiptop shape.
  I do remember one Will comment I will pass along. I forgot to mention it
  before. Eggs are a trigger for most people. So avoid them right now. I have
  never
  liked them so I do not eat them even on a good day so they slipped my mind.
  Susan (Atlanta)

• 4 Krista Francie // Jan 1, 2007 at 1:16 am

  Your scary message reminds me — one month after my first attack — how
  many nasty things can happen. I’ve been feeling too good - and slipping
  into bad habits.
  Of course, this also makes me wonder if I should bother to get a
  ultrasound if they won’t necessarily find them first time around and
  just assume worse and be very careful — and run to emergency if get
  pain/vomiting/fever.
  Good Luck!!

• 5 babette400 // Jan 1, 2007 at 5:15 am

  Hi, Susan:
  Yes, eggs were a trigger for me, and I started thinking that organic apple
  juice, which very definitely breaks up the sludge, might be too strong for him
  right now.
  Oh, eggs are good for us, but not in Mark’s shape. But whenever I had GB
  problem, eggs would trigger an attack. I found out many healthy foods do
  trigger attacks. I think one of Dale’s foods used to be cabbage. So he
  couldn’t
  eat cabbage for a time.
  In my honest opinion, preparing for the cleanse is just as important, if not
  more so, than the cleanse. You must be prepared, and the longer you
  prepare, the better. You actually get more stuff out and it’s easier on you
  too. I
  think that in my case in the last cleanse that I did, I didn’t prepare long
  enough. I only prepared about a week, which I was thinking at the time was
  
  enough. But those last two stubborn gallstones, the small ones, gave me a
  fit. They didn’t want to go bye-bye.
  It’s a shame, all that I went through and just two small stones left,
  nothing else in my GB and I felt like I had to give it up.
  Susie

• 6 Neva Marjory // Jan 1, 2007 at 1:59 pm

  Wow. The posts have been so good and helpful. Thanks very much to
  those of you who’ve responded so far. It’s given me good ideas, and
  some hope. Although … I’ve been “deflated” again this afternoon
  I had no fever today until 5:40. It was 99.5 again. I know - it’s
  only low grade, but it’s another fever after 48 hours on the
  antibiotic. I was told that if it hasn’t gone away after 72 hours
  (tomorrow afternoon) to come back. There’s another thing - I’ll try
  to make it quick … last Monday night (while still in the hospital in
  L.A., but getting better daily with the pain from the pancreatitis) my
  fever spiked 2 times during the night to 103.5. The next morning, the
  Dr. had a fit, put me on IV antibiotics, and did a blood culture for
  sepsis (or however it’s spelled). The next day, he said I didn’t have
  sepsis, and didn’t say anything else about it — I guess because,
  after 3 little bags of the antibiotic through my IV, I didn’t have a
  fever anymore.
  
  Then — you know the rest of the story. (that since I got home, they
  found the gallstones and said that’s what caused my pancreatitis, and
  that my gallbladder is infected). BUT … my daily fevers haven’t
  gone over 100.5 (and the last time it was 100.5 was Fri. … I’ve been
  on the oral antiobiotic since Fri. afternoon). Yesterday (and now,
  this afternoon again) it’s 99.5 — but this doesn’t start until
  the afternoon\evening.
  What do you people think? It hasn’t been *near* 103.5 again, so …..
  taking the Keflex is doing the trick, or not? (It’s 500mg. 3 times a
  day). Should I still be having low-grade fever after 48 hours on it?
  Or should I give it until tomorrow afternoon — until 72 hours on
  it? Also, what if I’m still having 99.5 in the afternoon and evening,
  say on Tuesday, but it still isn’t going above that level?
  Oh yeah — does anyone know of a natural way to heal the infection in
  the GB? Or a better\stronger antibiotic specifically for the GB?
  Also … could/should I go ahead and start the parasite and kidney
  cleanse now, or wait until this infection is cleared up?
  Thanks again! I’M DESPERATE!!!
  Mark

• 7 allison_700 // Jan 2, 2007 at 6:52 am

  In a message dated 3/13/2005 11:43:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  markjennings42@… writes:
  Mark:
  Most people experience a rise in basal temp in the afternoon/early evening.
  It is perfectly normal. You prob have your temp rise every day. Mine does. I
  would not stress unless you get over 100. Going from 98.6 to 99.5 is not a huge
  rise and not indicative of sepsis or even an dramatically escalating
  infection.
  As for natural ways to help the antibiotic — there are many. That is why I
  suggested you read through Will’s posts since he offers lists of alternatives
  to antibiotics. (Holistic@…). I use echninecea and goldenseal routinely.
  I would suggest you begin milk thistle which is liver
  protective/regenerative.
  I personally prefer liquid herbs to dry for better absorption. You can add
  them to a small glass of water and drink down. I also take Angustora Bitters
  
  (from the grocery store) which is a strong digestive remedy. It tastes very
  bitter. Must be diluted.
  When I am acute I add 10 drops of lemon juice (real lemons, not the bottled
  crap) and about 10 drops of Angustora Bitters to a half glass of water and sip.
  Some people use a 1/2 tsp of apple cider vinegar and water and sip.
  You must decide your own path of healing, but I can tell you I would not do
  anything if I was in a acute situation or coming off an acute situation except
  try to get myself and my body back on an even keel. I know you are scared and
  very gung ho to change this situation back to something familiar to you.
  owever, there is no magic bullet.
  This condition took years of bad eating and less than optimum lifestyle
  habits to get this way and it takes time to work your way out of it if you are
  going the natural route. I can only tell you that if you choose so “go holistic”
  most people end up more healthy than they have in years.
  Let me share two concepts with you and then you must take the time to read
  the archives. Part of the process of recovery is taking responsibility for
  yourself and not relying on other people — be it doctors or anyone. You started
  when you checked yourself out of the hospital. You can continue by researching
  and investing a few hours reading the archives (I gave you several people who
  are also men (women tend to get this more often than men) and reading their
  posts will offer you the most concise and time efficient way to gain a lot of
  knowledge on how to help yourself.)
  Livers make stones. No one knows why. For sure liver congestion, brought on
  by food chemicals, environmental chemicals, hormones, drugs, alcohol, Tylenol,
  viruses, bacteria, parasites, et, is implicated in why the chemical plant that
  is our liver slows down. (herb source for Chinese herbs and info
  www.sensiblehealth.com)
  Stones are stored in the GB along with bile. When too many stones get in the
  GB the bile slows down making more stones. Improper eating (low-fat eating)
  also can cause the bile to stagnate and get very thick.
  Our bodies (imho) excrete the gall and liver stones all the time. One day
  after some incident (too heavy a meal, too much fat — even olive oil, huge
  stress) etc, a stone gets stuck in front of the common duct which is where the
  pancreas joins the gall bladder and then the pancreatic juices back up (not good
  since they will eat the pancreas) for a period of time and you get
  pancreatitis, creating the symptoms you experienced. There are other kinds of
  pancreatitis
  but this is the most common.
  You have not shared what happened to you before you “got sick” but see if
  this overly-simplified explanation helps you to understand what might be
  happening.
  Healing the pancreas is step one. Getting the bile flowing is step two.
  Getting on a liver healing lifestyle is step 3. Getting the stones out is step
  4.
  Try to exercise patience and not jump over a step. Your body has been through
  a huge incident that could have, without intervention, killed you. Let it
  rest and recover before you attempt step 4. Flushing and cleansing takes a lot
  of
  energy. You do not have it right now. You have enthusiasm but not core
  strengh.
  Remember you are taking antibiotics — anti-biotics. Against life. It is
  killing the good guys and bad guys right now. You need them so take them, get
  the
  infection under control. Add herbs as you feel like your body can tolerate
  them. Add enzymes. Learn about a new diet and how to get your bile flowing.
  Start there.
  Best wishes, Susan (Atlanta)

• 8 andrea_190 // Jan 3, 2007 at 12:06 am

  Hi Susan,
  killing the good guys and bad guys right now. You need them so take them, get
  the
  infection under control. <<<
  Great advice for Mark! I may have missed someone already saying this, but do
  you think “probiotics” be a good idea to add, as well, in a situation such as
  Mark’s when the body is being lambasted with the “anti”-biotic variety?
  Peace, Marion

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