About gall stones

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• 1 Freddie Burt // Mar 29, 2005 at 12:59 pm

  ps - I forgot to ask… it said to have a fat free breakfast and lunch
  today - I had lavash (flat bread) with philadephia cream cheese (just a
  little bit!) and about 1/4 of an avacado on it… I wasn’t organised enough.
  After this, am I wasting my time doing the flush, or does it have any effect
  at all?
  thanks
  Teresa

• 2 daniel_1800 // Mar 29, 2005 at 1:54 pm

  teresa@… writes:
  Teresa
  The fat-free segment before the flush is important, but I can’t see why it
  would make a difference afterward. You’re definitely not wasting your time.
  I’ve done flushes where I’d hate to admit what I had the day after <and I
  won’t - grin
  the “good fat”. Maybe someone out there knows the reasoning behind suggesting fat free the
  morning after. But for now - I’d say “no worries, mate”. in health,
  rachel~
  “Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal.”

• 3 Nell Paul // Mar 29, 2005 at 6:18 pm

  10 days ago I did my xx liver flush. I lost counting, this one could be
  somewhere between 20 and 30.
  I did first flush 5 years ago, when I did about 8 flushes with 2 weeks a part.
  My first “stone-free flush” was my 8th flush, the same year.
  Since then, I have had several times “stone-free flush”. After stone-free
  flush, I usually do next flush 10 days later, to make sure I am really
  stone-free.
  If the second flush is stone-free, then I take a break for 3 - 5 months.
  That was last 3 years.
  This time, I decided to break one rule - “eat no fat”.
  Morning breakfast was OK, but at 4 PM I ate several pieces of bread with
  fatty sour cream. I was running and playing with kids, and I just got so
  hungry that I thought it was good chance to test that rule.
  I ate at least several tbsp of sour cream with bread. That was at 4 PM (16:00).
  At 19:00 (7pm) I took my first (and only! ) cup of water with 1 tbsp of
  
  Epsom salt.
  (I don’t always follow the timing exactly. I adjust it after needs. I
  don’t prepare specially for the cleanse, I just decide to do it, and i do
  it, and if i have to, I adjust timing to whatever I need … )
  At 23:00 (11pm) I took little bit more then 1/2 cup of olive oil and little
  bit more then 1/2 cup of grapefruit juice.
  I stay with computer until 1am, and then I went to sleep. Being in vertical
  position after drinking oil helps getting air out from my stomach.
  ( This just me sharing my experience! I rarely go to sleep before 1am. )
  In the morning, 7am I took 1 cup of water with magnesium Sulfate, and at
  8:30 I took the second cup.
  I ate fruit and grapefruit juice around 10. I ate a fatty meal at 11am
  (sour cream (1/4 of a liter) and bread)
  Diarrhea started after I ate.
  ( I always eat fatty breakfast after the cleanse, to make what I call “the
  second cleanse”. )
  A lot of fat after the morning magnesium sulfate flushes liver one more time.
  For me, sour cream is the easiest fat to digest. I eat it a lot.
  My ancestors in Estonia ate it a lot. (Yes, I have seen nomilk site, but
  sour cream is one of the best fats I can eat.)
  I got about 20 - 30 small stones, 2 or 3 stones were bigger then 5 mm
  across, one was 9 mm across.
  I was using colander inside toilet bowl. I took photos.
  I consider this cleanse succesfull, even though I ate fatty foods the same
  afternoon.
  ( I don’t suggest you to try it, this just me sharing my experience! )
  Most flushes that I do in spring time are more successful then flush I do
  in winter time.
  My previous flush was in the end of January this year, and I have had 1
  little stone (5 mm across) and 3 small stones 2 mm across.
  That flush was all following the rules. No fat. I concluded my liver is
  quite clean.
  I will be doing my next cleanse soon, and another one again, until my liver
  is clean (for this spring-summer season)
  My liver keep producing (an average) about 30 - 50 stones a year.
  To keep it clean, I need at least 3 - 5 flushes a year.
  As a child I received many vaccine shuts, and I was often treated with
  antibiotics. (I ate a lot of sugar.)
  That must have harmed my liver beyond the ability to be repaired, and I
  think my liver may keep producing stones forever.
  I never had gallstones (diagnosed) and I never had gallstones attack.
  I have one child. I am Caucasian.
  Most of my food intolerance disappeared after 2 years of cleansing.
  Regards
  Agnes

• 4 Freddie Burt // Mar 31, 2005 at 12:29 am

  Well, it is now 11am the next day, and I had my first morning dose of salts
  at 10am (this was because I was worried about having to dash off somewhere
  unknown during my son’s soccer game)
  Agnes, this comment of yours relieved me… I still have not had any
  movement down below and was getting worried. It is amazing how much
  difference it makes - instead of 4tsbp of epsom salts in 3 cups of water I
  am doing 3tbsp in 3cup applejuice/water mix. This is because I had such a
  powerful reaction to the ES last time!
  I stayed awake last night for most of the night, but for different reasons
  this time - this time I felt very nauseous and wanting to heave a couple of
  times but didn’t. Strange I thought, as I didn’t have any problems getting
  the oil down.
  The epsom salts in apple juice is marginally better but still pretty foul!
  I am going to try the colander trick Agnes… (as long as hubby doesn’t spot
  me!!!!) and photo anything of interest!
  
  It’s nice to be able to share this with people, hearing how others go helps
  me know that what happens for me is ok and within the norm.
  More reports later!
  cheers
  Teresa

• 5 Ross Pace // Mar 31, 2005 at 4:12 am

  Teresa,
  you can eat fruit already 1 or 1 and a half hour after your last cup of
  Epsom salt.
  Food (fruit) will make you feel better. It will also push diarrhea.
  You can take some fatty food already 2 hours after drinking your last dose
  of Epsom.
  Fatty food may also push diarrhea.
  For everyone who gets too strong diarrhea:
  Take less Epsom salts.
  And, if it doesn’t come out, eat fruit the next day, or take an enema,
  until it all comes out.
  Agnes

• 6 Aisha Bird // Mar 31, 2005 at 11:29 am

  Teresa,
  I’ll ask you the same question I asked Dawn. Have you had ultrasound
  to determine what size and number of stones you are dealing with
  inside your gallbladder?
  I’ve had 8 cleanses, and the colic will return for me after 2-7 days
  because it takes that long for the large amount of oil to process
  through my body. I’m sort of lubbed for a few days and then the colic
  is back to it’s usual self. Having the ultrasounds (I’ve actually had
  4 of them because I’ve felt so good that I thought the problem was
  gone) will keep you updated on the battle that you are facing.
  Good luck with your cleanses. I hope you get that ‘big one’ out on
  your flush.
  Barry.

• 7 daniel_1800 // Apr 4, 2005 at 11:44 pm

  In a message dated 4/5/02 10:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  teresa@… writes:
  Just a theory here, but isn’t it possible that the gravel could clump
  together and cause a similar problem as a big stone?
  just throwing out a theory. rachel~
  “Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal.”

• 8 daniel_1800 // Apr 5, 2005 at 3:41 am

  In a message dated 4/5/02 11:14:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  adriennelynn1@… writes:
  This is interesting, Adrienne. I guess that’s sort of what I was theorizing
  about (but you phrased it so much better!). So a large amount of sludge
  could cause similar problems as a big stone. It does make sense - I mean,
  why should the gallbladder have the corner on pain in passing stones?
  Gheez, when I think about how overworked and under cared-for our livers
  generally are, it’s no wonder that people end up in liver failure so often.
  I’m just thankful that I discovered some of this stuff at a relatively young
  age.
  in health,
  rachel~
  “Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal.”

• 9 Aisha Bird // Apr 8, 2005 at 8:49 am

  Teresa & Rachel,
  Sure, gravel can build up on the walls of the gallblader, clog the
  opening to the cystic duct, clog up the common duct itself as it
  clings to the sides of the ducts and cause a colic attack. The small
  stuff seems to create colic even more than a large stone. The large
  stone will sometimes be too big to even block the mouth of the
  gallblader and the bile will still flow past without obstruction.
  Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something
  that won’t flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.
  Barry.

• 10 daniel_1800 // Apr 8, 2005 at 2:31 pm

  In a message dated 4/7/02 8:32:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  barry91162@… writes:
  In case anyone missed this I wanted to put it back out there. Yes - by all means - flush while things are small enough to flush out easily!
  rachel~
  “Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal.”

• 11 Freddie Burt // Apr 11, 2005 at 4:33 pm

  just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can’t stop long!
  Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don’t know if I had any success
  this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on Friday
  night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain that
  went away)… that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain free for
  a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear that perhaps
  I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I
  should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and olive oil
  for the rest of my days!
  Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing..
  Words of encouragement welcome people!!!
  in hope,
  Teresa

• 12 Larry Gabriele // Apr 11, 2005 at 7:06 pm

  Teresa;
  I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the
  cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a healthy
  condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill it just
  isn’t all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag.
  I was told by my doctor in February of 99 to have my gallbladder removed
  within the next two weeks after an MRI showed it to be thickened, therefore
  diseased, and having “A” stone. He stated to me, and my wife, that my
  gallbladder probably hadn’t been working well for the last ten years. I
  didn’t like the idea of losing something with which I had started my life
  and so because of that started my research on the gallbladder and
  alternatives to having it cut out. I started flushing after doing some
  preliminary work of detoxing and changing my diet from a high fat to a much
  reduced intake of fat. Of course at the time I really didn’t understand the
  differences in fats and my misunderstanding led to some other problems
  
  later, after I was now stone free, and had a gallbladder that looked as
  normal as anyother gallbladder would in an ultrasound.
  I too thought that after having done my first flush I was totally stone free
  and that I could eat a nice meal at a resturant without having to worry
  about the attacks again. Little did I know at that time that it was going to
  be some months before that would be a reality, and after a lot of attacks
  that would occur when I would fall off the wagon, so to speak. Even though I
  now can eat pretty much with impunity, I still will get warning notes of
  discomfort if I eat things that are too fatty with hydrogenated fat or
  animal fat, which is a saturated fat. But, I still have my gallbladder and
  it appears from my movements that it’s working just fine.
  Flushing is something that the body would normally do without you even being
  concerned with the process if you happened to be eating the right
  combinations of foods, along with exercise, and didn’t have some genetic
  predisposition to a particular disaease. So, I can certainly appreciate just
  how you feel about being locked into doing something so distastefull as
  taking Epsom Salts, and then a concoction of extra virgin olive oil and a
  fresh squeezed fruit juice.
  The important thing to remember is the fact that stones didn’t occur without
  the body haveing something out of balance. So, sometimes it just takes more
  time to get back the balance it needs to function correctly, or at least at
  a good stubble. Flushing isn’t a silver bullet to good health that one shot
  does it. Shoot, even if you take an antibiotic you have to take it
  religiously to hopefully kill a bacteria infection, and if it happens to be
  a wound it may be necessary to clean that wound daily while the healing
  process is taking place.
  Needless to say, but disease leads to dis-ease and that is from which we’re
  all trying to get away.
  Dale
  just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can’t stop long!
  Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don’t know if I had any success
  this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on Friday
  night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain that
  went away)… that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain free for
  a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear that perhaps
  I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I
  should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and olive oil
  for the rest of my days!
  Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing..
  Words of encouragement welcome people!!!
  in hope,
  Teresa

• 13 Aisha Bird // Apr 12, 2005 at 11:26 am

  Teresa,
  If this is only your second flush you are still too early to see the
  final results. You shouldn’t be discouraged until you do at least 10
  flushes. I know it sounds tough but there may be a lot of stones in
  the back of the gb that are moving forward to exit. You may have many
  years of gunk and toxins to clear out. Rome wasn’t built on one or
  two flushes. Keep flushing.
  Some people are lucky enough to get the sludge, sand, or colic stones
  out on the first flush but most of the stories and people in the
  group are having to flush many times to get clear. We all want to be
  the lucky flusher but unfortunetly it is more of a lifestyle change
  of good dieting and cleansing over an extended period of time.
  Also, if you gb is at the stage or age of producing stones and colic
  you will most likely have to maintenance cleanse twice a year for the
  rest of your life. That’s seems to just be the name of the game here.
  
  Even if you get them out with flushing, 50% of the people who start
  producing symptomatic colic problems from stones will reaccure within
  months or years again.
  I had the same results as you and even after 8 cleanses and getting
  over 2,000 of those liver globs of bile balls out of my body, I still
  have the 1 cm hard stone in my gb laughing at me twice a week.
  Laughing at me to the point of tears!!!
  You should check your progress by ultrasound to see if you still have
  a hard gb stone that is causing your colic. You need to know what it
  is you are going into battle against. Some people don’t know, or want
  to know, but I think it is important to know your progress and exact
  problem. ‘Know your Stone” is my moto. Know what it is, why it causes
  pain for you, and when it causes pain, control it, and start to
  correct it once and for all. Good luck with that.
  Some people do actually open a can of worms in as far as they awake
  sleeping ’silent’ stones. You will have to get those out as well now
  that you have woken them up. It is good to wake them and get them out
  before they cause you pain later. Good luck again if that is what you
  did. I personally think you didn’t do that but that you are still
  experiencing the problem of your original colic. Stones in the gb
  trying to move out the samller cystic duct is usually the cause for
  colic, not sandy stuff in the ducts. Check ultrasound is all I can
  suggest to be sure what is in your gb.
  Hope this helps in some way. Do at least 10 flushes and then re-
  evaluate your plan of attack, if you still have one. Be Healthy.
  Barry.

• 14 Aisha Bird // Apr 12, 2005 at 3:22 pm

  Dale,
  This is a great testimony. I was wondering something about your
  story. If you’ve been flushing for 3 years, have cleaned up your diet
  and are watching everything ‘going in’ so well, and you have a clean
  ultrasound now, why do you feel you are still having discomfort?
  Do you think your bile within your gb is still producing stones that
  need to be cleanses out?
  Do you think sludge is building up causing the discomfort?
  I was just curious to know what you think it would take for you to be
  totally discomfort free. Besides ‘baksliding’ every now and then, do
  you think you will have to watch you diet and fragile gallbladder for
  the rest of your life or do you think it has an end soon?
  Good luck with your search for pain-free life.
  Barry.

• 15 Larry Gabriele // Apr 13, 2005 at 2:39 am

  Barry;
  I hope this helps you to understand my situation a little bit better.
  I have not only had gallstones but also have a situation from a past disease
  that is much too often a death sentence for those who have it. I have been
  diagnosed as having had Hepatitis C or what was known as Serum Hepatitis and
  Hepatitis A. I got Hepatitis C around 1968 but recovered from that,
  somewhat. These showed up when I had my last blood tests done in November of
  ‘99′ after the liver attack I had because of having avoiding all fats,
  including those that are considered as necessary as Essential Fatty Acids,
  while attempting to rid my gallbladder of the stone that the doctors had
  said I had.
  The problem I’m up against is keeping my liver in the best condition I can
  by eating the least amounts of saturated and hydrogenated fats that I can
  and then too moderating just how many beverages with an alcohol content are
  consumed. I’m very sensitive to my liver’s condition and therefore tend to
  
  feel it more than I would care to ‘really’ know it’s there. I’d like it to
  be working more in stealth like most all organs should normally work but
  just plain eating tends to bring is to life and notability.
  So, it’s because of the Hepatitis C and A that I have the discomfort but not
  what I can call pain. It really is just an annoyance more than anything
  else. My last ultrasound also showed my liver looked healthy too but did
  have enlarged bile ducts. I believe this is because of the flushes having
  caused some stretching of them for a time period. I don’t know how things
  look today as I’ve not had any reason to go to the doctor or the hospital
  for the last two and a half years. I thank Dr. Sandra Cabot for having
  provided me the right information so that I could have some idea as to what
  to do to take good care of my liver and therefore my general health.
  I still do flushes. In fact I just did one yesterday. However, I do a flush
  that I’ve developed to work along with the colonics I get, when I get the
  time to go get them. It really is quite easy and quick compared to all the
  other methods that are being discussed on this group.
  Since when I get my colonics I do the controlling of my water supply and
  waste I can tend to get myself more of what are known as liver dumps than
  the colonist working the controls can do for me. I noted that my first
  experience with attempting this I had some of the most definitive of liver
  dumps I’d had to that date and the next day I had gallstones show in the
  first movement in the morning. How do I know they were gallstones? I picked
  them out and opened them up. So, since that first experiment I now try to
  make sure of the time I’m to get my colonic and take around three to four
  ounces of extra virgin olive oil mixed with just plain old out of the waxed
  paper container, not from concentrate, grapefruit juice around two to three
  hours before I’m to be hooked up.
  Did I get out any stones yesterday? Yeppers…. I got to take note of some
  passing in the viewing tube and then when I got home and had to go one more
  time before bed there were around ten or more small cholesterol stones in
  the water with some flakes. I only checked two of them to make sure they
  were stones. Did any show this morning? Nope.
  One thing to note about the ones I checked was that because they were not
  well formed I would be of the belief that they really were more likely from
  the liver.
  Dale
  <<<<<<<<<<
  Dale,
  This is a great testimony. I was wondering something about your
  story. If you’ve been flushing for 3 years, have cleaned up your diet
  and are watching everything ‘going in’ so well, and you have a clean
  ultrasound now, why do you feel you are still having discomfort?
  Do you think your bile within your gb is still producing stones that
  need to be cleanses out?
  Do you think sludge is building up causing the discomfort?
  I was just curious to know what you think it would take for you to be
  totally discomfort free. Besides ‘baksliding’ every now and then, do
  you think you will have to watch you diet and fragile gallbladder for
  the rest of your life or do you think it has an end soon?
  Good luck with your search for pain-free life.
  Barry.
  <<<<<<<<<<<<<,

• 16 Larry Gabriele // Apr 13, 2005 at 6:36 am

  have tried to find an alternative for them at Wholefoods, a few different
  cookies, but nothing compares to an Oreo….oh oh who’s that flusher with
  the oreo cookie….ahahahaha……Not that I eat them daily or anything but
  when I do have occassion to them….I eat a good dozen of them with
  coffee….oh you talk about naughty. Anyhow, I do miss my Oreo cookies and
  if I can ever find an alternative to them I will give them up because I know
  they do cause me trouble. To eat or not to eat, that is the question for
  me….and quite frankly I have given so much to my diet in my life that I
  would just like to once in my life splurge like normal people do…..*sigh*
  Peace
  Lu
  I use to do a good half a bag with a couple cup of whole milk with no
  problem. So, I can appreciate the missery of not having them…..(sigh…… Dale

• 17 Aisha Bird // Apr 14, 2005 at 2:42 pm

  Dale,
  Thanks for sharing your story again. I sure hope that you control
  your body and get everything back to great health again, and of
  course happiness. A lot of people are suffering with bad livers but
  you seem to really be aware of te problem and are taking the right
  steps to make it all run better. Good luck with your health.
  Be Healthy.
  Barry.

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