Hello all, I thought I would introduce myself, and thank whoever
started this group for all the support and answers I’ve received
already.
I’m 21 years old, and this fall I’d just started loosing weight on
Weight Watchers. Also in early fall I’d started to recognize that
something was wrong with my stomach, I’d been more gassy and
experiencing short, slight pain in my stomach. In November I had my
first fullfledged attack, which at the time I thought was food
poisioning, I then had two more attacks which I thought were food
poisioning, and which my mother thought was a stomach bacteria (she
subscribes wholeheartedly to Hulda Clark, and is using her methods to
sucessfully treat her breast cancer for at least 3 years now)…
After having 3 attacks in 2 days right before Christmas I made a
decision to go to the doctor and get this darn thing figured out. I
just found out yesterday that I have gallstones - the doctor says its
because of my weight loss. My mother suspected such a thing and had
me do Hulda’s liver cleanse for the first time.. lets just say there
aren’t words to describe the event. 
I have a couple questions
for you experienced flushers…
First off, being busy with the flushing, my rear end was terribly
sore from all the activity, is there any cream or ointment anyone can
reccommend for treatment?
Secondly, I read in a book to drink only Apple juice and green juices
during an attack (Like I could eat anything during an attack
ANYWAYS.), to to use Scot Pine aromatherapy oil during an attack to
alleviate pain. Does anyone else have any other suggestions for
alleviating pain? They’ve gotten worse and worse, and it seems like
vomitting might help, but then the pain still stays with me for 4 or
5 hours after-so although its reduced to a dull ache, its still
debilitating.
Thirdly, I read also that some people have a difficult time with
taking the olive oil, because it IS an oil…I had no trouble with
it, but now I’m terrified I will next time, has anyone had
difficulties with the olive oil bringing on an attack?
And last but not least, my mother also reccommended I take a
tablespoon of uncooked flax seed oil (yuuuuck) a day, but I recently
had an attack shortly after doing so - and once again I’m terrified
of doing it again. Has anyone out there been treating their
gallbladder with flax seed oil?
Thats about all for now, I know I’ll have many more questions in the
future, thanks to all that take the time to read and reply to this,
your answers are very very VERY much appreciated.
Thank you,
Brooke =*)
New member, completed one flush so far
August 27th, 2004 · 4 Comments
Tags: no surgery
4 responses so far ↓
1 daniel_1800 // Aug 28, 2004 at 9:57 am
Hi Brooke - welcome to the group!
in health,
sunfyer@… writes:
I have used Preparation H, which is a commercial product and works very well.
I have also used Calendula Oil, which works pretty well, too.
This is probably unorthodox to say, but I did find with the last couple of
attacks, that vomiting actually did seem to help. That’s probably not a good
thing to recommend, but desperate times call for desperate measures and so I
thought I’d share it. I also have found that drinking water with lemon juice
seems to calm things down. Other than that, walking around - movement helps,
along with massage. You could also try a castor oil pack on the area with
a heating pad. But the most helpful of the above, I think, is movement
and massage. The pain is caused by a stone being stuck and so movement can
help to either move it along or get it to fall back into the gallbladder.
I should tell you, though, that my attacks have never lasted more than 20
minutes, so take my words in that context! I haven’t ever experienced the
length of attacks that people have written about out here. I also haven’t
had one in a month now (yay!) and have had less than a dozen altogether, I
think. So I’m writing of my own experience.
I haven’t had any difficulty with it and would just suggest that you keep in
mind that you didn’t have any trouble with it. Don’t let someone else’s
experiences scare you. If you let the fear take hold, then your body might
react to that. Each body is different Keep the image in your mind of how
well you handled it. Positive visualization IS a great tool.
I’d really recommend that you take some time when you can to look through the
testimonials and the archives. You’ll find a lot of great information in
there!
Rachel
2 Malinda Ileana // Aug 29, 2004 at 4:11 am
Hi group!
Just a quick update to let you know that I am stil doing great with
little or no gb problems. I just got back from 11 days in France
with rich foods… ice cream in business class, etc. All the things
I preach about not eating got eaten!
The result… One mild stomach ache one night. Overall my approach
to healing has been a huge success.
Many of you know that for two years I sufferred with significant gb
pain. After 6-7 flushes and a change in diet to avoid most milk
products and trans fats, I felt much better but not cured. The past
yaer I have regularly taken flaxseed and fish oils, with granulated
lecithin in a little fresh squeezed oj each morning. Add to that a
lttle biole salts and taurine. My gb is cleared with this mixture
every other day and the bile remains smooth and not chunky. Its been
6 months since my last flush, but I don’t really feel the need as it
seems I have been able to smooth out the composition of the bile…
Lots of pure water all day is also very important.
Soooooo… for those of you still sufferring… There is hope! At
laest for this gb pain sufferrer. Good luck as you explore the keys
to great health. Logic dictates that if your bile is clumping you
must change its consistency. This can easily be done by adding
water, bile salts, lecithin to your diet and avoiding cholestorol
creating foods… It’s a no brainer!
ken
3 Aisha Bird // Aug 29, 2004 at 3:46 pm
Hi Brooke,
Another thing to add to Rachels reply about the attack relief.
My attacks last for a couple of hours in the middle of the night.
I get fast relief in about 5 to 10 minutes by taking an antispasmatic
medicine. Works like magic because the gb will stop contracting and
pushing and the problem stone will drop back into the gb. That’s in
my case only. Not sure it will be your case but you can try.
Barry.
4 Larry Gabriele // Aug 30, 2004 at 10:46 pm
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In November I had my
Brooke;
Sorry to you’re having problems like this at such a early age. However, it
does just go to show that our social structure just keeps people stalemated
in health issues. Even a diet plan such as the Weight Watchers doesn’t take
in the needs of the liver and gallbladder when people are on the diet and
loosing fat so fast. Perhaps an understanding of what and why will go a long
way towards your getting over this dilemma with all organs intact.
First off diet plans don’t work as well as just eating good foods, which is
then a diet of avoidance. The main thing to avoid is food that has been deep
fried or has processing done to it, as in the case of margarines and
processed cheeses. These types of foods have fatty acids that have been
destroyed of any nutritional value for the liver’s benefit. Where foods
containing fatty acids that are natural, such as corn, avocados, and other
vegetables and fruits, will actually help the liver to produce a good type
of cholesterol that will help in the removal of the bad type of cholesterol
and fats. The liver is the fat burning organ of the body.
Eating these types of foods does three very important things for the body.
It provides the body with soluble and insoluble fiber along with the
essential fatty acids it needs to produce the good cholesterol, HDL. When
the body has the right combinations of foods going in it can then enjoy full
meals and with that realize it doesn’t need the stored fats in the storage
cells. that were produced by the body. Part of the problem with stored fat
is its quality and if it was stored as an over abundance in the form of
trans fats it’s use is next to nil. So, when a person starts on a diet that
is next to void of all fats the body starts dumping from its reserve the
worthless fats in an effort to supply a nutritional value. But, if it only
has say 10% that is nutritional then the other 90% is going to be made into
a LDL cholesterol. Now the liver will have to form from it a bile saturated
with too much fat. All fat is removed by the liver. It is the organ that
converts in one way or another to use, and/or waste.
What happens with an overload is that the liver produces a bile that isn’t
able to handle the load of fat being maintained in the bile salt. So, what
happens is the cholesterol will precipitate and form clusters that are then
made larger and larger with the amount of processing taking place. The best
thing to do in this case is to provide the liver tools with which to help
deal with such an overload of fats. Lecithin and taurine will certainly help
here.
Lecithin reacts with the bile much the same way as dish detergent does with
the fats on dishes having fat clinging to them. Washing the dishes the fat
then is suspended in the water until the drain is opened and the water
allowed to drain out of the sink. However, if the fat load is too great then
there will be precipitation of the fat on the sides of the sink, you’ve not
doubt seen this happen. That is the very same thing that happens in the
liver and the gallbladder. So, what is wanted is to maintain a detergent
level that will help to keep the fats suspended in the bile salts until
eliminated by the other digestive processes of letting the water out of the
sink, in this case through the colon. Just imagine if next to nothing in the
way of a detergent is available in the water and you’ll have somewhat better
of an idea of what happens with the precipitation of fats in the body’s
liver and gallbladder.
This elimination process calls for taking in the right amounts of soluble
and insoluble fiber to do so. It, in a since, is then the medium by which
the bile is moved on through the system and out of the body. The faster it
happens the more fats of which are going to be deposited elsewhere, ideally
out of the body.
Here is how the fiber works in this process. When eating a meal the liver
and gallbladder will dump bile of which it can produce up to two quarts a
day, therefore the need for water too, into the in the small intestines when
a demand is made for the enzymes to breakup the food to a useable and blood
barrier penetrable size. The soluble fiber that is eaten is the main thing
into which the bile will be absorbed. The insoluble fiber will be the
transport medium for the soluble fiber.
So, here we have the bile to carry the fats, the soluble fiber to carry the
bile and the insoluble fiber to help carry the soluble fiber containing the
bile on out of the body. The reason we want the short transit time is
because if the fecal matter stays in the colon for too long the bile will be
reabsorbed by the body for use once again thereby defeating the purpose of
fat reduction.
The body’s digestive system is a synergetic whole and needs to be looked at
as such. One organ works with another organ to make sure it all goes in
unity, and this all starts with the eating processes; Eating foods high in
fiber and nutritional value, chewing the food well with the best portable
juicer available; the teeth, drinking plenty of water and making sure to
obtain food for the liver in the form of essential fatty acids will help
dealing with the gallstones. Eating more smaller meals a day along with
light exercise will tell the body that is getting plenty of food and
therefore doesn’t need the excess stored fats to survive. Once the body
starts getting more of the better bile salts moving through the digestive
track it’s very likely the stones are going to start breaking up and
disappearing.
Now as regards your having trouble with taking in olive oil it could be that
your olive oil is rancid or has been processed. It’s important to note that
the oils taken in are cold pressed and unprocessed. So, check to see if what
you’re eating is in fact a higher quality of olive oil, i.e. one that says
it is cold pressed extra virgin olive oil and see if that doesn’t make a
difference.
You may want to consider doing castor oil packs too as they not only help in
getting the discomfort down but will also provide you essential fatty acids
my skin absorption.
For the anal problem you might consider getting preparation H gel. It is a
much more milder topical and can be used internally too.
Drink only fresh squeezed apple juice as processed apple juice isn’t going
to be doing you that much good by comparison.
I take a 2400 mg of lecithin, flaxseed oil, and a 500 mg tab of taurine each
day.
I’m looking forward to you being able to enjoy the rest of your life with a
lot less worry about how to live it. Starting young, as you’re doing here,
you will certainly be better enabled for dealing with having better health.
Dale
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