About gall stones

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• 1 Josef Gamble // Jul 30, 2003 at 9:06 pm

  Thanks for this info. I just got done with my 3rd glush and YEOW!!!!!!! I’m
  sore. I’ll have to try that next time.
  This flush wasn’t as successful as the last two. Each time I get quite a
  few less stones and smaller too. The first flush I did I got about 180
  stones total, a few as big as a peanut. The second flush I got about 90
  with nothing to write home about. They were pretty small. This, my 3rd
  flush, I didn’t even count them. I’ll bet I didn’t even get 50 out and the
  ones I did get were all bright green and VERY small. About sunflower seed
  size. Some were VERY oddly shaped though. One looked like a half moon, but
  green. I don’t know what to make of that though.
  I have yet to go back to the doctor for another ultrasound. Funny how they
  didn’t pick up ANY gallstones at all prior to my first flush. I DID have
  little polyps though. I’m hoping that by doing the parasite cleanse and the
  flushes, it will be taken care of.
  I’ll post my results as soon as I know. We are right now in the middle of a
  
  medical insurance company going backrupt on us and looking for another.
  Lisa from IL

• 2 Ahmad Rosalva // Jul 31, 2003 at 2:22 am

  You also might try using cutting a vitamin E capsule open and using that instead of vaseline. Vaseline is not the best stuff to put on your skin.

  Rachel

• 3 rosella_90 // Jul 31, 2003 at 3:57 am

  Its funny how quickly we all say “oh, only about 100 stones out this
  time” - it still amazes me that all this stuff was sitting there
  inside me, inviting infection, clogging up the digestion. And no-one
  believes till they try it themselves …
  K

• 4 altha_17 // Aug 1, 2003 at 6:29 am

  There are people on this list who believe (or very much want to believe)
  in the efficacy of the gallbladder flush and many (myself included) who
  are still doubtful that the flushes really result in anything other than
  passing solidified or “saponified” olive oil. Perhaps the truth is
  somewhere in between. But one thing I have never seen on this list is
  the testimony of someone who had an ultrasound that showed gallstones and
  then, after flushing and passing “hundreds of stones,” had another
  ultrasound (ideally by the same radiologist) that positively showed that
  the stones were indeed GONE.
  If the olive oil/lemon juice flush truly causes gallstones to leave the
  gallbladder, where is the irrefutable evidence? Saying “I feel better”
  is not proof. Photos of so-called “stones” without any independent
  laboratory analysis or medical opinion confirming that they are indeed
  stones is not enough, in my opinion, to confirm this as an effective
  treatment for gallstones.
  
  I don’t mean to be confrontational, I’ve gotten a lot from this list, but
  I’ve been researching gallstones and gallbladder disease for some time
  now (since my ultrasound showed a 1.6cm stone) and I just don’t see the
  clinical proof that the flush works. On the other hand, gallbladder
  removal seems to solve the problem for an overwhelming majority of people
  with very, very low incidence of complications. I’m not in a rush to
  have my gallbladder removed and I am open to real alternatives, but I’m a
  journalist by training and it is very hard for me to accept anecdotal
  evidence.
  Whatever you may think of the Western medical establishment, it is based
  on a pretty reasonable methodology: testing of a theory in a clinical
  trial must show a positive result in most cases before a treatment can be
  prescribed. Not to say that alternative medicine, diet, and other
  approaches are not valid, I believe they certainly are, and not to say
  that all treatments work for everyone - they don’t, but I fear that some
  of the advice given on this list - while completely well-intentioned -
  needs to be taken with caution. I too have been looking for treatment
  other than that which my physician is recommending, but I would be much
  more comfortable if the discussion on this list was monitored: if a panel
  of experts from different disciplines: MD, Surgeon, Nutritionist,
  Herbalist, Homeopath, etc. would weigh in with their opinions and
  experience and help us sort out hype from reality.
  …Bill

• 5 Josef Gamble // Aug 1, 2003 at 4:29 pm

  I have. You just haven’t read enough. Or talked to enough people
  personally.
  I have also heard of people who haven’t gotten any stones out after doing
  the flush. so what happens THEN to the “saponified” oils? HMMMM!??
  Lisa

• 6 Ivory Magda // Aug 1, 2003 at 10:57 pm

  Bill, I agree with you totally… I work in a hospital, and I’m in
  direct consultation with several MD’s who are interested in what I’m
  doing… believe me, they’re even more skeptical of what they see
  on this and other websites than you are!
  I fully intend to get another ultrasound later by the same
  radiologist, but I need to do another flush (or two) first, because
  the very day I posted the origin of this thread I had another gb
  attack!
  I’m personally not fully convinced of the medical value of the gb
  flush, but it certainly doesn’t harm me to try it. if it works,
  great; if not, no big deal…
  I sincerely hope there is some credence to be given to this procedure,
  and I hope another flush or two will clean more stones out of me, but
  I definitely will require verification by the radiologist to be
  absolutely certain of the outcome (if you’ll pardon the pun).
  
  also, I’m taking the stones I passed yesterday to a pathologist to
  analyze them… I’ll be sure to post results when I have them…

• 7 Dwight Garcia // Aug 2, 2003 at 6:19 am

  Bill, you may want to be careful that people don’t start thinking that you could
  be a troll. The internet newsgroups are awash with paid trolls who slyly
  plant just a little bit of doubt so that the operating rooms stay full.
  Let’s face it: if my own experience of substituting $10 worth of olive oil (7
  flushes) for $8000 worth of surgery and medical care is an example others
  follow, then big medicine could lose billions.
  Actually, I really don’t care if people allow their guts to be chopped apart
  because someone coyly plants the idea that olive oil miraculously changes to
  pure cholesterol lumps by some alchemy “saponification” process. All I reallly
  know is that the 3 surgeons who were fighting for my gallbladder had to
  find another sucker to pay for their expensive cars. The flushes stopped the
  attacks, caused me to lose unwanted weight, improved my digestion
  dramatically, left me finally free of allergies, and made me feel better than I
  had in years. That good feeling has lasted well over two years now.
  And if you think I give a hoot whether “science” runs a double-blind study
  
  proving they’re full of it, think again. I still remember all those “9 out of
  10 doctors insist Lucky Strikes are better for you” commercials.
  Regards,
  Rex Harrill

• 8 Josef Gamble // Aug 2, 2003 at 12:12 pm

  I’d love to hear about these results. Please be sure to post them!
  Thanks,
  Lisa

• 9 Josef Gamble // Aug 2, 2003 at 4:09 pm

  proving they’re full of it, think again. I still remember all those “9 out
  of
  LOL, What a hoot, Rex. I think I love you!!!! LOL
  Lisa

• 10 cole_160 // Aug 4, 2003 at 6:16 am

  The debate continues to rage over the effectiveness of the “flush” in
  cleaning stones out of gb’s.
  I have worked hard over the past two years to keep my little gb sac
  and find that the changes to my eating habits are not so hard. The
  gb/liver flush is NOT a complete cure for ALL stone sufferers, but it
  is the CURE for some. Why does it work for some and not others? I
  wish I knew!
  Friends of mine have done the flush once or twice and have eliminated
  ALL symptoms that in some cases have plagued them for many years. I
  have had 5 attacks over two years, all can be traced back to eating
  milk products or fried foods.
  The past 6 months my digestion has been fabulous. Just a few weeks
  ago I started eating frozen yogourt again and began feeling some gb
  symptoms. I did another flush last week and got 20-30
  smallish “greenies.” These greenies were evaluated by a pathologist
  
  who at first called them gb “stones.” Then upon further evaluation
  he was surprised that the green outside produced a clearer, lighter
  green inside. He said most gb stones are brown on the inside.
  He took the stones with him for further evaluation. His last
  comments were that he thought they might be liver sludge.
  I believe that the bottom line with the flush must be:
  The flush IS effective for some people… it seems most effective
  for those with cholestorol stones and not as effective with calcified
  stones. The flush cannot hurt you, but may prove to be a simple
  effective cure. If doctors were really concerned for their patients
  they would FIRST teach them the simple steps to a healthy gb that are
  deliniated on this web site prior to recommending gb surgery, except
  in emergencies.
  Each person must weigh the benefits of each approach for
  themselves, but you cannot weigh the “flsuh” option until you have
  tried it for 3-4 flushes over a 9-12 month period. I weigh less,
  feel much better and have NO aches and pains like I used to have.
  This could be my flaxseede oil each morning, or avoidance of dairy,
  or fewer stones to clog my ducts. Whatever it is… for right now it
  is working better than surgery!
  ken

• 11 rosella_90 // Aug 4, 2003 at 6:23 pm

  Ken - I expect its all three. I echo your sentiments that the flush
  shouls be tried first. On the color of the stones, lighter means
  newer. In my experience sludge comes out as sludge rather than stones
  (in my case nearly all on the second flush) but the stones do begin
  in the liver. There is undoubtedly a lot of benefit in removing this
  liver sludge. It is important to lie still immediately on taking the
  oil, as less success seems to follow otherwise. I tried being upright
  one time thinking it might be better but it wasnt. Calcified stones
  might need extra softening or unstiking from their location; perhaps
  a slightly different procedure can be found. However, unless the
  stones are very big, time should do the trick - ie a number of
  flushes. Also, many people dont realise just how common food
  intolerances to wheat (gluten) and milk (lactose) are - and how
  ubiquitously these are used in a large variety of processed foods.
  Also, likely to cause similar unpleasant tummy aches - nitates in
  
  preserved meats and hormones in meat and dairy. Also hydrogenated
  oils (which do not naturally occur in any food). Too much sugar
  (well, any really) might lead to such aches also in some people -
  besides accelerating aging. Insufficient water. Too many stimulants
  (coffe, cola), fizzy drinks, too much protein (especially animal
  protein because of the saturate fats taken along with it),
  insufficient fibre may also lead to tummy pains. Also eating too
  fast, acidity imbalance … - well, I think that’s the main ones.
  K

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